Debt Can Be Easily Written Off By Banks..

Posted by Robert Searle Tue, 14/06/2005 - 10:52am :: News and Current Affairs
DEAR ALL,

I do wonder how many of you know how the banking system really works, and if you did know you would perhaps be suprised, and even alarmed to some extent. As we have seen in the news it was pleasing to hear that a huge amount of debt may be written off for specific Third World countries. However, some people are still under the illusion that this loaned money belongs to depositors. This is false. Banks create MONEY OUT OF NOTHING THROUGH WHAT IS TERMED FRACTIONAL RESERVE BANKING. If the legal authority is there any amount of loaned finance can be wiped off, and the banks would still be able to make up the lost amount by simply producing more of it. How do they do this?

The answer is as follows. A certain amount of "real" money is kept in reserve. Based on this banks can create new money as loans, or credit to their customers by simply writing down the amounts onto paper, and computer. In other words, it is produced "out of thin air" as already mentioned. It is as simple as that. Ofcourse, the banks create super-normal profit from all this, and now, virtually the entire money supply is created in this way!!!

On the other hand, the governments create "real" money as coins, and paper. Yet, it only makes up a virtually non-existent percentage of the worlds entire money supply. Remember banks unlike democratically elected governments are private businesses for private gain. It has been argued that the former are counterfeiting the "real" national currencies of the world via fractional reserve banking.

Radical monetary reformers believe that it is possible to have loans, or credit created without interest. This could be undertaken by an independant public authority. Ofcourse, the banks would not allow this, and would fight tooth, and nail via the courts if any country were to introduce legislation of this kind. The only way forward is to get the top rich countries to agree together in the simultaneous implementation of this reform. This would give little room for banks to legally challenge the elected authorities. The same approach ofcourse can be used to properly regulate the Multi-National Corporations.

For more info there are a number of groups concerned with the above. If you key in the words monetary reform you should find references to "organisations" such as Prosperity, Global Justice Movement, Forum for Stable Currencies, Social Credit, etcetera. Michael Rowbottom a noted author of two books on monetary reform is worth enquiring about.

I, myself, am concerned with the research, and development of Transfinancial Economics, or Non-Taxation Monetary Reform which includes Interest-Free Monetary Reform as being of secondary importance because its social, economic, and political implications are much more limited. Reference to my work can be found elsewhere on this website.

PS. In Canada and possibly elsewhere it now appears that banks do not legally have to have a reserve of "real" money in order to create new funds.............
Which Priority?
Posted by  Ross Lawhead on Wed, 20/07/2005 - 1:36pm.
I don't know a lot about this sort of thing, but I heard a talk from someone who does and they said that forgiving poor countries their national debt is all well and good, but doesn't actually help out the poor people in those countries as directly as something like fairtrade does. To cancel a debt doesn't mean that you are giving these people money, because it is the nations' that owe the money, not the individuals. The nation might not have any more debt, but the poor people will just continue to scalped out of their produce and labour. If we really wanted to 'make poverty history', then we would lobby harder for fairtrade, and not try to drop the debt, as that's putting the cart before the horse.

What do you think? Does that person have a point? It makes sense to me, but I've said that I don't really know.
There is a great deal of trut
Posted by  Robert Searle on Mon, 01/08/2005 - 11:55am.
There is a great deal of truth in this comment. Fairtade should be a priority but in order to do that we need effective international trading laws that favour the poor as well as the rich. Ideally, wealthy nations should simultaneously implement such regulations to ensure this happens. This would also mean that the multi-national corporations would be to a certain extent subject to effective legal restrictions which cannot be flouted. Cancelling debt, I agree is not the highest priority but it is still an important one. What my piece was really about was not so much about the Third World as a short educative write-up on how banks create money..."out of thin air!"
The notion that "banks can create new money
Posted by  Anonymous on Fri, 19/08/2005 - 1:36pm.
The notion that "banks can create new money as loans, or credit to their customers by simply writing down the amounts onto paper, and computer. In other words, it is produced "out of thin air"" is frankly ludicrous.

As a Christian Chartered Account working in banking perhaps I can shed some light on the way banks work.

Just think about the basic principals of double entry book keeping: every credit entry must be offset by a debit entry, therefore the two entries ALWAYS net to zero.

Consider a bank with 2 customers. Customer 1 pays £1,000 into his current account the bank will Dr cash £1,000 and Cr current account 1 £1,000. Bank now has cash balance of £1,000.

Customer 2 wants to borrow £1,000. Bank will Dr Loan account 2 £1,000 and Cr Current account 2 £1,000: no net movement of cash.

When customer 2 withdraws the £1,000 loan from his current account the bank will Cr cash £1,000 and Dr current account 2 £1,000. Bank now has cash balance of zero.

If customer 1 had not first deposited £1,000 into his current account, the bank would not have been able to lend the money to customer 2.

If the loan to customer 2 is written off the bank will Cr Loan account 2 £1,000 and Dr P&L £1,000.

The bank now has a liability to customer 1 and no assets i.e. the bank is insolvent. If customer 1 wishes to withdraw his £1,000 from his current account, the bank can't pay him, so the bank goes bust and customer 1 looses his money.

Therefore if a loan is written off (i.e. not repaid by the borrow) then this represents a real cash loss to the bank.

The bank makes money by charging a higher interest rate on loans than they pay on current accounts. Retail banking really is no more complex than that.

In reality banks are required to hold what is called regulatory capital, normally a percentage of their assets. This basically means that the amount banks are allowed to lend is restricted to a proportion of what they have borrowed. This is so that they can meet the demand of depositors wanting to withdraw their deposits.

Banks cannot create money out of thin air.

THE CONCENSUS OF OPINI
Posted by  Robert Searle on Fri, 26/08/2005 - 1:58pm.
THE CONCENSUS OF OPINION.

I was amused, and intrigued with the explanation of the above claims by someone who claims to be a chartered accountant. This classic text-book presentation is somewhat questionable to say the least. More importantly, the concensus of opinion completely contradicts it from a variety sources. As I have already explained there are a number of monetary reform website on the internet which are easily traceable including the Christian Council for Monetary Justice or CCMJ that clearly reveal that money is created "out of thin air." Are we to believe in just one lone accountant, and his interpretation, or are we going to give credence to a growing number of experts who have looked into the whole subject very carefully? I think it would be sane to do the latter as any right minded person would agree.

The above system of fractional reserve banking is basically very simple. It uses strictly speaking a certain reserve amount of money in order to create new funds. For example, if one has say £1000 kept in reserve, then depending on the reserve regulation it would be possible to create an extra £9000 "out of thin air". This is given out as a loan to the customer. Inflation is controlled by the raising and lowering of interest rates.

Furthermore, about 97% of the UKs money supply is created as a loan, or credit in the present economic system. This is created by the banks. The 3% of the money supply is created by the government as coin, and cash. In other words, banks arguably counterfeit the national currency by fractional reserve banking. They do not need to print, or mint it they simply key in new higher figures of monetary value based normally on their reserve holding. Incidently, the two figures here quoted come from the UK Treasury.

Let us repeat. If the government creates only 3% of the money supply where on earth does the other 97% come from. The answer is the banks.

Makes on think especially when we realize that the above percentages
can be found in a similiar, or exact amount the world over?
So what happens when I go to
Posted by  Anonymous on Fri, 26/08/2005 - 5:12pm.
So what happens when I go to the bank and ask them for the £9,000 they've lent me in cash?
Expressing the Obvio
Posted by  Anonymous on Fri, 26/08/2005 - 7:22pm.
Expressing the Obvious.

With respect the answer to Anonymous is pretty obvious. A loan is re-payable to the bank with interest. However, it still created it in the first place!!
The answer is simpl
Posted by  Robert Searle on Fri, 26/08/2005 - 8:40pm.
The answer is simple. The money lent is repaid to the bank with interest. Yet, it still essentially created it in the first place. Banks DO create new money there is no question about it. The whole thing is a massive legalised scam because if you seriously default on your loan, or go bankrupt then they can take all your assets away including your house. Yet, they originally created money "out of thin air" at virtually zero expense to themselves,and can depending on circumstance receive REAL WEALTH as just mentioned.
You havn't answered the quest
Posted by  Anonymous on Tue, 30/08/2005 - 9:09am.
You havn't answered the question. If the bank lend me £9,000 which they which I subsequently wish withdraw in cash (to buy a second hand car for example) if the bank are creating the money "out of thin air" where does the hard cash come from? Banks in this country do not print money.
The Answer Again is Simple.
Posted by  Robert Searle on Fri, 02/09/2005 - 6:18pm.
The Answer Again is Simple.


Since most loan transactions do not involve cash then your question seems to be somehow irrelevant. We live in an essentially cashless society.Ofcourse, banks keep a stock of it , and as you rightly say they cannot print it. Instead they put on paper, and computer figures of higher monetary value. In other words, they "counterfeit" the legal tender of paper, and coin (ie cash).
If banks can "create money out of thin air"
Posted by  Anonymous on Mon, 05/09/2005 - 11:54am.
If banks can "create money out of thin air" why aren't you a banker?
virtual money
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Debt can be easily written off by banks
Posted by  eric014 on Sat, 19/07/2008 - 5:24am.
At this time banking sector is growing so fast. Banks creating money from so many sites like insurance finance, saving account. This way debt can be easily written off by banks.
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